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ZeMole

165 points

3 months ago

ZeMole

165 points

3 months ago

Just came to say your dirt is gorgeous.

lisaleftsharklopez[S]

67 points

3 months ago

legit best compliment ive gotten all year thanks lol

[deleted]

17 points

3 months ago

Your lawn is a piece of dirt.

ElFarts

1 points

3 months ago

So dirty

grem182

41 points

3 months ago

grem182

41 points

3 months ago

I’ll bet you say that to all the lawns

ZeMole

45 points

3 months ago

ZeMole

45 points

3 months ago

I definitely said it to your mother’s lawn, Trebek.

grem182

11 points

3 months ago

grem182

11 points

3 months ago

HIYO!!!

Armyed

3 points

3 months ago

Armyed

3 points

3 months ago

Hahaha Classic

Pythagoras2021

2 points

3 months ago

😭

darthballzzz

6 points

3 months ago

I wish someone would say that to me LOL

joremero

2 points

3 months ago

what about their junk?

Independent-Fix3142

113 points

3 months ago

No. Yards rarely need aeration desperately. Just do it in fall. The internet has over emphasized how important it is. I’m not saying it doesn’t help. It does. But everyone seems to think the answer to all of life’s problems are aeration.

Equivalent-Tutor-314

85 points

3 months ago

I sell aeration door to door. It is the solution to most of my problems

Kitchen_Structure0

10 points

3 months ago

Is that you Spring Masters?

Equivalent-Tutor-314

2 points

3 months ago

;)

Elamachino

3 points

3 months ago

Do you just have a tow behind unit, or what? I have a tow behind unit, and have been considering offering it as a service. I'd like to pick your brain, if you're willing, let me know...

TheFaceStuffer

2 points

3 months ago

Personally I started my lawn business with a walk behind cause my clients have really tight access to yards.

Ok-Needleworker-419

1 points

3 months ago

You really need both. Even a huge lawn will have tight spots that a towed unit can’t reach.

coffeejunkie323

5 points

3 months ago

It’s what plants crave!

mckraken01

3 points

3 months ago

BRAWNDO!!!

MustCatchTheBandit

4 points

3 months ago

LAWNDO

brdoma1991

1 points

3 months ago

It burns when I pee

joremero

11 points

3 months ago

my wife left me, will aeration fix that?

tabletaccount

3 points

3 months ago

Yes. Also the irrigation from your face will slowly fix itself.

Juomaru

8 points

3 months ago

Whatever. I had a stomach ache after eating some food that was past it’s best-by date. I aerated the room and all was good.

thelostcruz

4 points

3 months ago

Were trying to reach you about your lawn's extended warranty.

warmseasongrass

3 points

3 months ago

Amen. I have a lot of clay soils in lawns I treat, I get compaction from traffic. I just keep a pitch fork on my truck and loosen it up, 60 days later it's filled in :-)

That's how I aerate

stonifer44

3 points

3 months ago

Can you elaborate for me please? Usually when I poke lawn with pitchfork I don’t feel like it’s doing anything? Do you like lift the sod up?

warmseasongrass

2 points

3 months ago

Nah they're bare areas from the houses pouring water during rain/hurricanes mixed with two house holds walking in-between the houses and shade decline. It just loosens it up enough so st Augustine can run across for a few months, I have to do it every so often just to push growth.

Ultimately it's a root rot condition, in my opinion. I'd rather inform my client why it happens and then poke holes for results rather than drop toxic ass fungicides for possible hopes.

Foreign_Software_651

16 points

3 months ago

I’d do some things to that dirt, DIRTy things.

iCryAtNight21

36 points

3 months ago

My rule is no machines (besides lawn mower) on my yard until fall. Otherwise you run the risk of tearing up the lawn, higher weed pressure, stressed grass, etc...

That soil looks great btw. I'm used to see brown clay.

magentayak

19 points

3 months ago

Red clay here.

LilyWhitesN17

9 points

3 months ago

Same...well jealous looking at that...mine is dark like that in a thin veneer followed by bright orange compacted clay.

lisaleftsharklopez[S]

19 points

3 months ago

in chicago. did an overseed project in the fall. lawn looks absolutely amazing from the surface but suspected heavy compaction and now that we're getting a deck put in, this looked kinda concerning to an amateur.

was really hoping to hold off on aeration until the fall but if some of this newer grass will have a better chance of surviving the coming summer with aeration in spring instead, will get it done. also wondering if one of those liquid aerator products might suffice as a holdover until the fall.

ejh3k

7 points

3 months ago

ejh3k

7 points

3 months ago

I've never seen a compost spreader like that before. Definitely getting one.

lisaleftsharklopez[S]

7 points

3 months ago

it is INSANELY worth it imo. esp spreading topsoil to filter out all the bullshit filler u get and easily dumping it, as well as just evenly spreading peat moss after an overseed without getting filthy or feeling like you're doing back breaking labor. it's one of those specialty tools where u question the extra space to store something / added expense of something you're only going to use 1-2x a year but after having used it i will never go back.

Ok-Needleworker-419

2 points

3 months ago

Do you have to go back and rake a lot after it? Or does it do a good job of spreading as is?

lisaleftsharklopez[S]

1 points

3 months ago

for peat moss going over an overseed project it definitely is "good enough" imo and still way better than hand spreading. and i'm a kind of a perfectionist. like is it perfect even coverage, no some spots are a tad heavier or a tad lighter depending on the roll but for covering up seed and keeping it moist it's perfect at the end of the day if that makes sense. like i didn't have any spots that germinated better than others or that got fully eaten away by birds or anything. saw very little birds entirely esp compared to an overseed with no coverage.

for top dressing prob still worth a little leveling rake action afterwards though. i didn't do it the first time but did it on a small spot afterwards and if i weren't rushing originally def would have leveled the top dressing w a rake after rolling it down. it still worked out very great esp for a rush job, settled in decently and i'm happy with the time and anguish saved for sure.

VviFMCgY

2 points

3 months ago

Can you give the name of the tool? I can't seem to find anything that matches

smashtag_

7 points

3 months ago

My Home Depot has them available for rent if you don't want to commit / find storage. Yours may too!

ejh3k

2 points

3 months ago

ejh3k

2 points

3 months ago

I wish.

[deleted]

2 points

3 months ago

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ejh3k

2 points

3 months ago

ejh3k

2 points

3 months ago

I'm out in the middle of nowhere. I'll just buy one because my side yard used to be a house and there's about an inch of topsoil. I'll use it annually for sure.

ibreatheintoem

2 points

3 months ago

Beautiful result! I also live in Chicago and I'd love to know what you seeded with

lisaleftsharklopez[S]

2 points

3 months ago

thank you! so it was actually kinda messed up, i wanted to go full elite and use awesome seed and had a bag of black beauty. but things didn't go as planned.

new-ish homeowners, typical story, lawn totally neglected. given it is a postage stamp-sized city lawn, i wanted to spend at least one full season just doing it myself as it would probably be more of a pain trying to have someone else do it. never gave a shit about lawns and not much "competition" on the block so overall goal was just to get it in above avg/presentable shape.

had to get weeds under control when we moved in. then just worked on some nutrients, more frequent watering, focused on hard-to-fuck-up, organic slow release fert. last fall dethatched, put down some topsoil in a peat moss rolling spreader thing, overseeded, covered seed with peat moss also in the rolling spreader.

first overseed was early sept, but literally a day or two later, our neighborhood got hit with what people were referring to as that "50 year storm" (6 inches in like 2 hours for us), all my seed/worked washed away that day and everyones yard in the neighborhood was total flooded muck. was determined not to miss my seeding window as it was already getting late so after shop-vacing rain water out of our basement all day, drove to home depot and bought scotts rapid grass seed. not ideal but had to go with what was avail that day. neighbors were looking at me sideways when i was out there watering new seed while everyone else on the block was throwing away their belongings and trying to get water out of their yard but that is dedication lol.

going forward, will focus on fixing a few spots in april, and correcting some leveling issues over the next few seasons and then hope to stay in a good groove of maintaining throughout the year with bigger projects in fall.

besides the note about seed itself, fyi i don't think i'll overseed without something on top going forward, really helped keep it moist and keep birds from getting at it. i think the dethatch/scarifier, thin layer of top soil and then covering seed with peat moss to keep wet really really helped with germination. def going with a dif seed next time/for overseeds but honestly cant complain about the results from the scotts in a pinch, esp combined w the steps mentioned above. in retrospect i'm wondering if at least some of the original seed didnt wash out so it got like double-overseeded or something. idk, whatever it is, the results, esp in the front compared to what it was before, are super solid for a "first-timer."

ibreatheintoem

2 points

3 months ago

Pretty sure I remember the storm you're talking about. Last year I was in a 3rd floor apartment in Pilsen so it didn't affect us at all but my boss in Portage Park had her basement flood and a handful of coworkers called off with similar problems.

Even though it sounds like it didn't go according to plan it looks great. We have a small-midsize lawn now for the first time and it has a handful of similar issues. I feel comfortable with the plan for spring but I need to figure out what the moves and timing are for the fall and a big part of that will be figuring out what I want to start seeding with.

lisaleftsharklopez[S]

2 points

3 months ago

your boss might be my neighbor :)

totally hear u. jonathan green black beauty ultra and barenbrug seeds both seem to come highly recommended on here, from what i've seen. i'm prob going with jgbbu to fill in the spots i have this spring and to overseed with this fall, but had also considered this mix from ryan knorr.

one other note about "fall" seeding is that i wish i had researched more and understood for us chicago folks, fall in this context can mean mid or late august depending on temperatures/conditions rather than just the calendar definition. i definitely could have started this prep and babied seed to keep it alive in late august rather than hold for september, then deal with the issues i ran into, and only having a month or so for germination/establishment/getting some mows in. just tossing it out there. worth keeping an eye on soil temps and forecasts and having the materials for your project at the ready and stored earlier than you're anticipating just in case you can start earlier without dealing with extreme heat etc.

lastly, i was storing open seed in a little storage hutch attached to our house foolishly and attracted some critters. once i got the seed out of there, triple bagged and stored out in the alley, they all stopped visiting but we did have a week of panic when we got a mouse in the house and a bunch scurrying around the backyard. literally the day i moved the seed out was the last day we saw it but still another pain in the ass distraction haha. good luck out there dude!

Ok-Needleworker-419

2 points

3 months ago

If you’re happy with how it looks now, don’t mess with it until fall. The stress of running extra machinery on your yard before summer outweighs the benefits of aeration IMO.

Low-Upstairs7636

1 points

3 months ago

Aeration is best in spring and throughout the growing season .

CPOx

5 points

3 months ago

CPOx

5 points

3 months ago

I wish my dirt looked like that

Due-Satisfaction7022

7 points

3 months ago

Might be better to take some cores from random spots versus just this one reference to really know.

smily_meow

3 points

3 months ago

attract more earth worms

4u2nv2019

4 points

3 months ago

If that’s your edging, ideally you want to see a lot of roots further down popping out. I see a few but too far up

FTHomes

2 points

3 months ago

Aeration is completely natural as the lord intended lol

vwite

2 points

3 months ago

vwite

2 points

3 months ago

Does this mean you think aeration is not needed for a healthy lawn? (genuinely curious, I've never done it myself)

hyperghost8

2 points

3 months ago

Just put down some soil treatments.

lisaleftsharklopez[S]

2 points

3 months ago

like humichar type shit? anything in particular you'd recommend?

FreeDig1758

2 points

3 months ago

Damn you have nice soil. I have sand. It sucks.

Budget-Government-52

2 points

3 months ago

I had sandy soil at a previous house and seeded KGB. While I only had the house a year, the KGB was so dark and thick that golf courses would have died to have it. I’ve been trying to recreate that with sodded lawns for the last 8 years and have never been able to get there.

FreeDig1758

2 points

3 months ago

I would love kbg but don't have sprinklers and it'll smoke it I'm afraid. Cool to hear that it was working great in your sandy lawn though

BeardedZorro

2 points

3 months ago

Jealous of this dirt. Been trying to turn a shady clay slope into a lawn.

eNYC718

2 points

3 months ago

Depends if your cray and planning on overseeding like me. I'm in the same boat as you. I aerated last year late spring when I moved in to start my lawn renovation..I checked on it just now still seems compacted...i dont think its that concerning unless your overseeding but I won't aerate until fall and I'm looking into a liquid solution (air8) because manual aeration looks makes it look horrible lol it's like big goose poops everywhere.

My main goal Is to eradicate my weeds especially this crazy spurge that's infested everywhere.

I have a lot of bad areas still so my plan is to detach a little deeper which kinda loosens up the top alot and makes it less compact imo..could be wrong..but any way dethatch in spring.. fill and seed desperate areas and leave the aeration and over seed for fall ( last stage of my renovation)

boxonhead11

2 points

3 months ago

Aeration is not for every lawn. Yours looks fine… unless you want weeds! Just water consistently and you’ll be golden!!

Redredworm88

2 points

3 months ago

Forbidden fudge

clownpuncher13

2 points

3 months ago

No.

lisaleftsharklopez[S]

1 points

3 months ago

thanks for the replies everybody. appreciate the compliments about the dirt/soil lol not the response i was expecting. was more so referring to what seem like very shallow roots everywhere but not many of the comments seem to point to that being of concern at the moment. going to hit this with something like air-8 in a sprayer this season and then in late summer/early fall will get around to the machine aeration as i have no idea if the previous owners ever did this.

plan for now is to monitor temps, get some humichar/soil amendments down, seed a few stray spots that are sparse but not the whole thing, use triple action build for seeding, and then spray post emergent in those areas as needed while getting the areas that are already solid/full blanketed with a light dose of pre-emergent. given so much of this lawn is newly overseeded late last fall followed by winter, sort of paranoid about a heavy app of pre-emergent as i don't want to hinder the roots too much before they've had time to deepen much. might go with the lightest possible application of andersons barricade (apart from the couple spots i'm overseeding).

going to chip away at leveling over this next growing season in some low spots without going too crazy, and come next fall, going to go absolutely all-out.

JoeBold

1 points

3 months ago

Hold up a minute… is there only 10cm of soil and then a pebble-bed? Also the little soil there is seems to be too much organic material and needs more sand in it. So, yeah, I would recommend aeration and sanding.

lisaleftsharklopez[S]

2 points

3 months ago

the grey stuff down below is being added prior to a paver project my bad for not clarifying that part it's very work in progress

BigChunilingus

5 points

3 months ago

Just to clarify, there is nothing worrisome about this image. As someone stated above, just take a few core samples if you're wondering about the nutritional value of your soil. This lawn is a beautiful color. It seems very full and healthy.

JoeBold

3 points

3 months ago

phew 😅

jbriggsnh

1 points

3 months ago

Do you live in Ukraine? That is incredible soil. Dirt porn!!

lisaleftsharklopez[S]

1 points

3 months ago

chicago and never realized it was decent. grubs and weeds sure love it if i don't stay on top of them lol

sugsdad

2 points

3 months ago

Supposedly Chicago sits on the best topsoil in North America

woah_man

2 points

3 months ago

Built on a swamp.

PolarBear1972

-6 points

3 months ago

Aerate in the spring, loosens up soil and when you fertilize it gets deep in the core and helps with the roots

waityoucandothat

0 points

3 months ago

Agreed. You wait to aerate until the lawn emerges from a dormant state. You don’t want to risk tearing up dormant roots by running an aerator over the lawn. Then fertilize, top dress with organic materials, and overseed if necessary.

Nightblood83

2 points

3 months ago

These are cool season bros. It should really be two forums

Still_Temperature_57

1 points

3 months ago

Looks like some thick clay. Core aeration and put some gypsum down. It's a slow process to soften it. Don't mix sand. You can also top dress with compost/organic matter that will also help.

Queefinonthehaters

1 points

3 months ago

No. What are you expecting your clay to look like? If it has a bunch of voids in it, it'll just pack under your feet. This is how materials with high amounts of clay look. It doesn't look like you have any thatch at all. Aeration is to allow air into your canopy so that the thatch and crap can decompose rather than accumulate.

I have a similar soil type where I am. The main problem that I found is that when I would water it, the water wouldn't really permeate, it will just sit on top and then evaporate off. To address that, I topdressed with sand. That way the water can permeate down a little and be sheltered from the direct sun.

lisaleftsharklopez[S]

1 points

3 months ago*

not concerned about the soil health itself, but in this area where contractors dug into and other areas where ive pulled plugs, the roots seem extremely shallow to me. however i am an amateur with minimal experience and likely just unrealistic expectations. as others in this thread have mentioned, aeration gets mentioned a lot in the online lawncare community as a necessary cure-all and maybe it is overhyped. but the context behind my question is wanting to ensure i give this newly seeded lawn (established late fall followed by winter freezes) the best chance of survival in the coming summer. my assumption is that deep roots = a big part of the turfs ability to survive and thrive longterm so was asking if i need to aerate so there are better conditions/more "room" for root growth.

Queefinonthehaters

2 points

3 months ago

Oh, okay. So when you cut into the soil like that, you will generally sheer all of the rootlets and barely be able to see anything. Cut out a piece, and then break it apart with your hands and you will probably see a lot more rootlets than when you cut into it.

I_am_a_MushroomHead

1 points

3 months ago

Wheres the beef?