ToughImagination6318

that we wouldn't go extinct or need to eat grass..

What I said had nothing to do with health. It has all to do with the claim you made that killing animals for food it’s unethical.

also you're just being purposely obtuse, you know I meant to say top 99.9th percentile.

Top 99.9% and 99.9th percentile are two different statement aren’t they?

What does that have to do with what I’ve said? And also….. top 99.9%? That’s not impressive at all haha

Well…. If that idea was to be true and we were to follow what you said, then us a as a species would have to either extinct or get used to survive of eating grass. Or just live with the idea that we’re all unethical.

Right, ok. There is nothing wrong with eating any animal products because killing animals for food is not unethical.

You could try.

…..and that’s your opinion.

There’s absolutely nothing wrong with eating eggs or any animal products. It’s perfectly fine.

EDIT: love how I’m getting downvoted into oblivion for simply answering honestly to a question. Jesus Christ you lot need to chill

What gives you the license to be cruel to animals?

“Vegetarian diets are associated with reduced risk of CVD and IHD, but not stroke, but further studies are needed on stroke. These findings should be considered in dietary guidelines.”

That’s the conclusion. Should we look at the methodology?

PubMed and Ovid Embase databases were searched through August 12, 2021. Prospective cohort studies reporting adjusted relative risk (RR) estimates and 95% confidence intervals (CIs) for incidence or mortality from CVD, IHD and stroke, comparing vegetarians and vegans to nonvegetarians were included. Risk of bias (RoB) was assessed using ROBINS-I and the strength of evidence was assessed using World Cancer Research Fund (WCRF) criteria. Summary RRs (95% CIs) were estimated using a random effects model.

That’s an associative study.

Images are good to convince kids not grown adults

It’s bad common knowledge. There is no hard evidence that meat is causing any disease.

More associative studies, doesn’t make it any better. Let me ask you again, do you have any cause and effect evidence?

In conclusion, diets consisting of predominantly plant foods and that are lower in animal foods were associated with a lower risk of incident cardiovascular disease, cardiovascular disease mortality, and all‐cause mortality in a general population. Dietary patterns that are relatively higher in plant foods and relatively lower in animal foods may confer benefits for cardiovascular health. Considering the adverse outcomes associated with refined carbohydrate consumption,42, 43 future research should continue to explore if the quality of plant foods (either healthy plant foods or less healthy plant foods) within the framework of plant‐based diets is associated with cardiovascular disease and all‐cause mortality in a general population.

That’s the entire conclusion bit. But….

“The ARIC study did not assess whether participants were following a plant‐based diet. We used established plant‐based diet scores (PDI, healthy plant‐based diet index [hPDI], less healthy [unhealthy] plant‐based diet index [uPDI], and provegetarian diet index) to assess participants’ degree of adherence to plant‐based diets on the basis of their reported dietary intake on the food frequency questionnaire. “

They don’t know if everyone was following a vegan plant based diet. For one. And not to mention that all this is associative data. Does not have the power to inform on cause and effect.

Now…. Let’s go back to your original claim, where saturated fats and cholesterol were giving us (causing) heart attacks. Do you have any cause and effect evidence?

Now can you back up your claim?

From a vegan publisher.

I wouldn’t turn up with that to a debate hahaha

The claim I’ve made was backed by you when you said that vegans get “way less” heart attacks. I’ve said vegans get heart attacks. Plus it’s well known.

Can’t believe I have to do it but hey ho:

https://veganslate.com/what-is-the-leading-cause-of-death-for-vegans/

“Way less”. Now is where you need to bring evidence to support your claim.

Are you suggesting vegans don’t die of heart attacks?

So long story short, cholesterol and saturated fat are bad mkay. Just put on from a religious perspective. Take it if you eat meat, you get heart attacks, yet, vegans who don’t eat meat, still get heart attacks. Wonder what the explanation for that is?

Absolutely agree with you. There are a lot of things to factor in. Saying that working in the meat industry causes all these issues whilst also saying that workers come from disadvantaged backgrounds and still blaming the meat industry doesn’t make sense really

Workers in the slaughterhouses and meat industry suffer with mental health and PTSD but that doesn’t necessarily mean that the slaughterhouses or the meat industry is what causes that. Like you said many (if not most of them) of the workers come from disadvantaged backgrounds. That being said that alone is a factor that might affect their mental health. Most of the male dominated industries report on poor mental health outcomes.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2093791116300117

I’m my opinion, suggesting that the meat industry should be abolished because some of its workers suffer from mental health issues is a lazy way of trying to solve the issues.

Mental health support should be offered, better working conditions, better life work balance, etc. Abolishing it does not guarantee a better quality of living for those workers.

You’re dodging now. Answer the question please.

Do the lives of the animals killed for the products you consume matter?

I don’t think you quite get it. I’m ok with animals being killed for the food I’m eating. I have no problem with a cow being killed in a slaughterhouse, I also don’t have a problem with mice and all the animals that get killed for the other crops that get produced in order to feed animals and humans. The only population that has a problem with animals being killed for food for humans are vegans. When crop deaths gets brought to the table, saying that less animals would get killed doesn’t align with the philosophy that vegans follow. So I’ll ask you again: what’s your justification for the animals that get killed for the products that you consume?